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MemberThanks for sharing your conversation, Anna. I wish mine were a real one and am not sure it will provide much illumination to this week’s discussion, but I have posted it below.
My response to someone who says we are wasting our time studying nonviolence since science says we humans are just naturally violent—
Me: Well, I can certainly understand why you would say that science tells us that we humans are just plain violent given what is presented to us daily in our commercial media.
I don’t know what studies you have read or are referring to that present humans as “just plain violent”, but I have come upon some recent work by our current studies in the new physics that put that old theory into question. One of the most interesting things that has turned up is the idea of “mirror neurons”. It seems that our human brain (and other species as well…one study was done on rats that showed their brains exhibiting this same pattern) will show signs that we are “experiencing” the same emotion that we see being shown by someone else (in a movie or an actual person who is outside of us). Our brains mirror what the other is doing or feeling. So, given that, if I see someone acting violently I am inclined to do the same. On the other hand, if I see someone showing compassion to another, the mirror neurons in my brain will let me know what that is like. We do not have “violence genes” that are inherited from our ancestors. What we experience culturally influences us to act in a certain way. So, if we grow up in a culture of violence we tend to be violent. Likewise, if we were to grow up in a culture where compassion and kindness was the norm we would have a good chance of exhibiting that kind of behavior. Since our country has adopted such a cowboy attitude about our place in the world it is no wonder that the common perception of human beings is that we are just naturally violent. We can re-educate ourselves and our children about the reality of human nature. We are just as capable of being creatively nonviolent in our approach to solving problems as we have been in “solving” them by going to war. So, no, I don’t agree with you that studying nonviolence will have no affect on how we act as humans. To the contrary, I have every confidence that learning everything I can about nonviolence and sharing what I learn about how effective numerous nonviolent revolutions have been will make a huge difference in our future on this planet together.
Happy traveling along Part 2’s road,
JeanErika
MemberI shared this briefly in my reading reflection for Chapter 8 of the Search, but I had a conversation with my husband about Syria in the car one day. I appreciate him because we share similar political views. So in this case we both do not support the use of force and U.S. involvement in Syria. Our difference is in our outlook on what would actually happen; he was convinced that U.S. would do whatever it wants because it is the super power, and we cannot effect any change. Whenever we talk about war, violence or use of force, he thinks his view is more realistic and I am naïve. He believes that there will always be war, because that’s how it has been throughout the history of human kind. In his view, use of violence is absolutely justified in order to stop violence or protect a school shooter.
When I shared that the problem I see is that we resort to violence because we know how it “works” (I am thinking we could call it the “science” of violence). We do not too well how nonviolence works on the other hand – and we would not know its full potential unless we are willing to test it. My husband’s counterargument was that it will take us a very long time to understand it, if at all, and in the meantime we need to protect ourselves from others’ violence. I think he has the common perception of violence as a “quick fix.”
I also shared a few examples of how nonviolence has been used to peacefully resolve conflicts, such as civilian-based defense and the recent case of Antoinette Tuff, who stopped a school shooter in GA. Responding to my second example, my husband said that – while he agreed her spiritual training and technique helped – she was just very lucky. His point was that, if the shooter had set his mind on killing children and school staff, she would be dead; but because his target was the police, she was able to defuse the situation. I can definitely see the point that he was trying to make, so I definitely expressed that. However, I also shared that it should not discredit her contribution – if she reacted violently, the situation would have been much worse.
On the topic of ending war, my husband said the only extreme situation that could unite the entire world is probably an invasion by outer space beings. He said that unless there is a common enemy, greed will always divide people. He did admit that his perspective stems from his inability to completely believe in the goodness of human nature.
While we did not agree on many points, I was happy with how the conversation turned out because, first, I did not get upset, and second, I was able to listen and be respectful. I did not try to make my point to be right – while acknowledging that I could understand where he was coming from, I just simply shared my perspective. He could agree or disagree. I shared that I needed to remain optimistic if I were to seriously pursue peace and nonviolence as my life’s passion. If I cannot, then there is no point in doing this kind of work! He did agree to that point.
On the topic of Syria, I said that regardless of what may happen, we cannot simply give into resignation. I believe we have an obligation to voice our concerns and try to make a difference. I told him that I had signed about 2-3 petitions that week. He initially said he did not believe it would make a difference, but when we came home, I found him looking for some online. He showed me a page and asked, “Is this what you signed? Do you think it really matters?” When I said yes, he signed the petition 🙂
Erika
MemberPaul – I’ve been traveling a lot and just saw your comment. Thank you so much for your kind words. I know this might be a long process… and sometimes applying NVC to those closest to us is very hard! 🙂 But this class is giving me so much hope.
Erika
MemberIt sounds great that you expressed your needs to your husband Anna. From what I’ve learned about NVC, I think that if you establish deeper connection with the other person, then you will go some way to having your needs met but maybe not in the exact way you were expecting. Maybe your husband wont give up his guns yet. But if your connection has deepened, then there will be positive outcomes that you can’t predict. As Gandhi said, work hard towards your goals but then leave the results to God. As long as the means are right, then you will have made a positive difference. An NVC teacher also helped me by pointing out that its a worthwhile practice to sometimes just sit with your unmet needs. By giving yourself empathy in this way, you can often feel more at peace with those unmet needs, and sometimes perceive underlying needs that you hadn’t seen before and that may be met in other ways to the outcome you were attached to.
Love Paul
Erika
MemberI signed up for a NVC training last month but had to cancel at the last minute. I now feel that I have some understanding and am excited to sign up for the next opportunity!
I am trying to think of a good example here… one that I had recently was my conversation with my husband about his guns. He owns a few, and I want to let him know that I don’t believe they make us safer… and I hope that he gives them up. I think the challenge in the communication was that I had a goal/objective and I was too focused on getting my points across and being right. I even started using the “exchange power” and said “If you want me to move with you, you need to give them up” which definitely is not a good example of NVC! But I think toward the end of the conversation he at least understood that this is important to me.
This poses me a question – although NVC does not mean that we do not have an objective in conversation, its main goal is to be present in the moment. But what about the causes we are very passionate about, where we want people to understand and transform their perspective? How do we not give up on getting our “request” to be met, without being resentful when it does not happen?
Like everyone said, I enjoyed other examples you all posted here. This is so encouraging. Thank you!
Erika
MemberHere are my thoughts:
• Be respectful and express it.
• LISTEN – Nobody gets offended when he/she feels heard.
• Stop trying to be right.
• Tone matters – It is not just what we say, but how we express it.
• Discard the judgment – Stop evaluating the situation or the others, and enjoy the conversation itself.
• Use your imagination – Understand how the person you are speaking to are feeling, and why that is the case.
• Rehumanize – See the humanity in the person you are communication with and everyone else. Stop labeling others as “evil,” “lazy,” etc.
• Speak to others’ potential – I borrowed this from Paul Chappell’s The Art of Waging War. When we speak to their potential, they feel the compassion and care. Assume people have good intentions, rather than being skeptical of their behavior.
• Live it – As Gandhi says, “Non-violence is not a garment to be put on and off at will. Its seat is in the heart, and it must be an inseparable part of our being.” We have to continually practice and be able to apply it to any situation.Erika
MemberI like your thought about starting sentences with I Kelly but maybe with a proviso. With NVC, I think its useful to also always remember the Easwaran principle of “Putting Others First”. Or you could also say “Remember your goal of service”. The reason I say this is because I saw in my NVC practice group that, for some people, concentrating on their own feelings and needs became quite a self-centred preoccupation because they didn’t couple it effectively with empathy and working on the other person’s feelings and needs too.
Paul xErika
MemberYes, it was great Kelly. But then when I got home, he sent me a message on Facebook:
“I thought I would just message you on here as I didn’t get any contact details before we all left the island as I did enjoy our chats and i am believe it or not interested in some of the work you do,”
I sent him “Nonviolence the history of a dangerous idea” by Mark Kurlansky, and in it I put details of Metta and NVP etc. He then told me he’d read the book and sent me this:
“Hi Paul I hope we do meet again. Stay in touch and if you do get involved in any of your projects that you think I maybe interested in please contact me I will always be happy to look and help if I can.”i don’t know what any of that means but it was amazing to see how a little discussion of nonviolence could be fairly convincing to someone who was steeped in violence. I know he returns to Afghanistan this year and have dreams of having sent a tiny virus of Nonviolence straight in to the heart of the Royal Marines!
Erika
MemberThis is a tough question for me! I think my principles would be:
*Start most sentences with “I”. It may seem self-centered, but it helps me to stay away from accusations, judgements or labels. “I see…”, “I feel…”, “I need…”
*Avoidance does not work! I am a world-class conflict-avoider, but the more I have studied NVC and nonviolence the more I have seen that avoiding a conflict does not actually solve anything, and it rarely protects you from the conflict. Instead, it often ends up being worse in the long run. I have been practicing the art of speaking my mind respectfully and clearly, and while it is still very much a work in progress I have gotten much better at it.
*Disagreement is okay. This is a corollary to my second principle. Just because I disagree with someone, or have a problem with something they have done, does not mean I am impatient or they are inconsiderate. As long as I am clear and fair, it is healthy to voice disagreement.
*Be a safe listener. If people feel that they may be attacked, they are not likely to be honest. If they are not honest, you aren’t going to get anywhere. For me this can backfire as people tend to tell me lots of inappropriate things, but I consider it a compliment. 😉 You can voice disagreement and concern without judgement and resentment.
*Think before you speak. This is one of my major personal rules, but it is one that I sometimes struggle with as well. I do not like to say anything until I’ve thought it through, but many people have told me that my lack of response seems to them like I am sitting in silent judgement. I think in general people are uncomfortable with quiet, but I understand the point. If you have revealed something personal or difficult to someone, you want them to assure you that it’s all good, and I’m not good at offering that reassurance right away. It’s not that I’m judging, it’s just that I’m thinking. I’ve gotten better at saying something like, “I need to think about that, would it be okay if we talked about it again later?” but I think I still sometimes come across as aloof.
Erika
MemberI also struggle quite a bit with making NVC sound natural, though the more I practice the better it gets, just like anything else I guess! For me, even if I feel that I can’t come up with a conversational NVC version of what I want to say, thinking of conflict in those terms – what I see, what I feel, what I need, what I’d like to happen – helps me to clarify for myself what is going on so that the conversation can be more productive.
Paul – I LOVE the story of the soldier showing you his tattoo! That is fantastic! What a gift for you both to be able to connect in that way. It reminds me of one friend I have, who is my son’s godfather and also my polar opposite in terms of politics and philosophy. But what I love about talking to him is that he listens respectfully, disagrees respectfully, and we both often come out of our conversations with a much deeper understanding of both the “opposing” viewpoint and our own. In fact, I often feel safer talking to him than I do talking to people who “agree” with me! I want to be able to offer that to others.
Erika
MemberHi Paul
Really interesting to hear you mention the challenge of making NVC sound natural! I really liked the NVC format and think it could be really effective but felt like I may sound a little unnatural using that formula (When I see _ I feel _because my need for _ is/is not met. Would you be willing to _). I would think like almost anything it can start off maybe sounding and also feeling unnatural but once you get the basics down and are more comfortable with it you can use the formula in a way where everything doesn’t sound so formulated and sounds more natural.
Best regards
JohnAugust 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm in reply to: Week 6: Spiritual Practice – Cultivating Inner Strength #11325Erika
MemberHi Kelly,
I enjoyed what you said about “widening chasm between the person I wanted to be in general’… and the person who was showing up in the world every day.” I also have felt that, particularly while reading about some of the great figures that I would like to emulate at least in a small way and then comparing it to certain aspects of my life now. It is nice though when after some hard work and time to look up and realize the gap has shrunk, even if just a little, but it sometimes doesn’t seem to happen for me as fast or often enough. 🙂 I think that the Zen practice sounds really interesting.
Best regards,
John
Erika
MemberI think you may be right Kelly. If you stray too far from your passions and from what lights you up, then I think you maybe more likely to burn out and to see your contribution as just another chore that you have to get to
PaulErika
MemberHi, Paul here
Only seek connection – maybe you won’t get the “result’ you are seeking but you will end up closer. If you try to get something from someone, other than closer connection, using NVC then it won’t work.
When expressing the situation to another person, try to describe it completely objectively using only terms that could be used if you were a video camera. For instance, “when you said x to me I felt y because I value z.” Rather than “when you attacked me by saying x, I was completely undermined and felt abused by you.” This could really help to diffuse tense confrontation situations. By saying “the policeman pushed you and you fell” rather than, “the policeman attacked you and threw you to the ground”
Try to take responsibility for your feelings. You are not upset because of what someone has said or done to you. They may have done or said inflammatory things, but you are upset because you are upsettable. However you are not to blame any more than the other person is.
Similarly, try to gently show the other person that they are responsible for their own feelings. If they are upset or angry, it is because a need of theirs is not being met.
Try to move away from ideas of blame or fault.
And if you are about to speak to someone you consider to be an opponent, even if you think they’ve done or said terrible things, try to consider them with loving kindness before interaction. Say your mantram for them. Hold them in the light, as the Quakers say. Try to imagine their unmet needs that are leading them to their behaviour or position. This will help you when the conversation begins.
Erika
MemberI did an NVC introductory weekend about 5 years ago which I found hugely helpful. It also helped me to join an NVC practice group here in Brighton which I attended weekly for a year or two. I still have some contacts who practice professionally and am amazed at how they can make the language of NVC sound completely natural – something I sometimes fail at. I remember the first time I used NVC with my wife Charlotte. I had been working away from home and she had been having a tough time at home on her own with our two small kids. As she told me her problems on the phone, instead of trying to fix them with snap judgements, I just tried to empathise by reflecting back what I heard her saying. Afterwards she said, thats the best listening you’ve ever done in our 10 years together! The only problem was that the next time I tried it, she said “are you doing that NVC on me again?” I’m sometimes not fluent enough in it to make it sound natural!
It has helped in my communication with my kids. Their arguments are often about who’s “fault” something was. So NVC gives me the tools to try to sidestep this issue. And when they were small and angry about something, it often helped to try to voice the needs which were not being met for them rather than try to ‘fix’ their problem. It didn’t always work but when it they genuinely felt heard, their anger would often dissipate as if by magic
It has helped me advise many friends of mine who are in the middle of a dispute with a family member. To be able to hear about a conflict and then reflect it back to them without judgement or blame language, can often help them work out how to approach their mother, son, friend etc.
A couple of friends of mine work in environments (often corporate) where the communication culture is literally toxic. Full of the kind of emotional judgements and ultimatums that people have learned from the dialogue in soap operas. I have sometimes been able to help them see how a conflict at work, or a very angry statement from a colleague, can be viewed nonviolently.
The serving soldier who I worked with on a movie last year was definitely an opportunity for me to try to engage nonviolently. Rather than judging and stating a position that was in opposition to him, I tried to empathise and learn from his experience, whilst still letting him know that my view of the world was radically different from his. We ended up being friends and talking very frankly about violence. On our last day working together, he showed me a large tattoo on his chest that showed the symbol for his regiment, with the ancient Roman motto,
“to have peace, prepare for war”.
I was then in a trusting enough relationship with him to say my motto would be
“to have peace, prepare for peace – if you prepare for war, you will get it”.
I wouldn’t have said such an oppositional thing to him until we trusted each other.The problem I often fall into is that I have a need to be liked and popular, so I sometimes sympathise rather than empathise, and listen to things I disagree with, without being able to gently voice the fact that my view is different. This is something I’m very much still working on.
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